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[G-Man]

Ok, need to clear something up. A quick throw-in. You can only do a quick throw-in when:

A. The lineout hasn't been formed yet.
B. The ball hasn't been touched by someone else.

These rules hasn't changed with the hybrid ELV's?

If so, who is someone in B? Is it from the linesman to the ballboy, to the spectator, to the opposing team, or your own team. I want to find out specifically about the linesman. If he touch the ball can you still throw a quick throw-in?

[Godder]

If the linesman/ballboy touches the ball, no quick throw-ins are allowed.

[G-Man]

Thanx Godder, just wanted to make sure.

[Thomond78]

Question related to this occurred to me; the ball goes into touch outside your 22.

You get the ball; run back so that you are on the goal-line side of your 22, albeit still in touch; then throw it in to your kicker who then kicks it straight out.

Now, you haven't brought it back over the 22, as you were outside the field of play and the ball was dead at the time. You are allowed take the throw-in from wherever you want. Is it subject to the 22 ELV, or is touch where it goes into touch?

[sthvh]

Interesting question. I would suspect that since the ball was out of play, it would not be "played back" and you would have the line out where it went out of bounds on the return kick. Could not find a reference to it though.

Also interesting is:

Quote

For a quick throw in, the player must use the ball that went into
touch. If, after it went to touch and was made dead, another ball
is used, or if another person has touched the ball apart from the
player throwing it in, then the quick throw in is disallowed. The
same team throws in at the lineout.

[Cumbrian]

Thomond78 said:

Question related to this occurred to me; the ball goes into touch outside your 22.

You get the ball; run back so that you are on the goal-line side of your 22, albeit still in touch; then throw it in to your kicker who then kicks it straight out.

Now, you haven't brought it back over the 22, as you were outside the field of play and the ball was dead at the time. You are allowed take the throw-in from wherever you want. Is it subject to the 22 ELV, or is touch where it goes into touch?

This exact question was asked of the IRB a few weeks ago - in the hope that they give us clarification of the law. We, as refs in the South East part of London, then got the bit of literature in which the IRB stipulated that you have taken the ball back into your 22 in this situation, so if the kick went dead you'd come back for the line out in the 22.

[G-Man]

Cumbrian said:

Thomond78 said:

Question related to this occurred to me; the ball goes into touch outside your 22.

You get the ball; run back so that you are on the goal-line side of your 22, albeit still in touch; then throw it in to your kicker who then kicks it straight out.

Now, you haven't brought it back over the 22, as you were outside the field of play and the ball was dead at the time. You are allowed take the throw-in from wherever you want. Is it subject to the 22 ELV, or is touch where it goes into touch?

This exact question was asked of the IRB a few weeks ago - in the hope that they give us clarification of the law. We, as refs in the South East part of London, then got the bit of literature in which the IRB stipulated that you have taken the ball back into your 22 in this situation, so if the kick went dead you'd come back for the line out in the 22.

So then it is considered taken back if the ball goes out before the 22 and you go back in to your 22 in the outside of the playing area?

[Goober]

What the IRB have said is that, for the purposes of the new 'carried back' law, the 22 m line extends beyond the field of play. So it depends where the thrower gets hold of the ball, even if he is over the touchline.

If he touches it in front of the 22, even if out of play, then he runs back and throws it in behind the 22, it's carried back.

If he first gets hold of it behind the 22 m line, and throws it in behind the 22 m line, then it's not carried back, even if it WENT out in front of the 22 m line.

Something else interesting that is coming out of this is that set-pieces taking place on the 22m line will create a lot of confusion. So instead of conveniently using the line as the mark for a lineout or scrum, refs are tending to move the mark one way or the other to avoid confusion as to whether the defending team has 'carried it back' if they win the ball.

Rucks and mauls that get pushed back and forth over the 22 m line are also pretty tricky; not so much in terms of the law, but in terms of trying to figure out who carried it back etc. Edit: this last point covered in the other thread.

[Tordah]

I've got a question regarding offside at quick throws.

kicker from team A punts the ball deep into opposition territory, there's several team A lazy forwards way in front of him, slowly turning around, going a meter back or so. The ball goes out, team B wants to take a quick throw. Can team A forwards stay there to prevent the quick throw, even if no kick chaser from team A put them onside?
So question is: is the offside rule concerning being in front of the kicker and chasers gone as soon as the ball passes the touchline?
I've seen that dozens of times, so I figured as much, but I think that's a bit weird.

Thanks

[Voltron]

I vaguely recall a clarification on this a while back, gist being that if the ball is out of play there is no offside line, therefore once the ball crosses the touchline all players are onside for the purpose of a quick throw.

[Damo]

Tordah said:

I've got a question regarding offside at quick throws.

kicker from team A punts the ball deep into opposition territory, there's several team A lazy forwards way in front of him, slowly turning around, going a meter back or so. The ball goes out, team B wants to take a quick throw. Can team A forwards stay there to prevent the quick throw, even if no kick chaser from team A put them onside?
So question is: is the offside rule concerning being in front of the kicker and chasers gone as soon as the ball passes the touchline?


Thanks

Yes. Them's the breaks I'm afraid. Once it goes out they are automatically put onside.