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[WillieTheWaiter]

FOR FU*KS SAKE.

knock this on the head NOW.

I thought I'd seen the biggest joke in the Waikato game.. with a player getting binned for NOTHING.

But the hoopla over than tackle really took the biscuit.

fuck if that's the new rule I'm giving up watching rugby because that is BULLSH*T.

[Mattasaurus]

I agree
can't see anything coming from "that" one.. if it gets cited then that is too much.... they hit him chest high FFS....

in saying that i am still all in favour of punising "genuine" tip tackles....

[Razbra]

While I like the attention the spear tackle is getting from officialdom it was a ridiculous case of nothing to answer for on the Whitelock tackle.

[WillieTheWaiter]

there's a pretty easy differentiation between picking a guy up and driving his head into the ground and lifting his legs.

what next.. they'll be banning rucking.... oh wait.....

[canefan]

Didn't help that the aussie bloke jumped up in the air just at contact. I thought the boys did well to give him a soft landing

[taniwharugby]

well, luckily Kaplan wasnt sure on the number, otherwise that woulda been yet another soft YC, this time for a non-penalisable offence. i gues they saw him lifted, that was it...dont lift is the message

[Baron Silas Greenback]

I dont have a problem with the crack down on tip tackling. The mistakes that have been made have been referee errors, what do some of you want? A gurantee that refs will never make the wrong call?

[dingo]

Baron Silas Greenback said:

I dont have a problem with the crack down on tip tackling. The mistakes that have been made have been referee errors, what do some of you want? A gurantee that refs will never make the wrong call?

Agree with the crack down on foul play - but a YC for a nothing tackle at the wrong time is going to cost a team a match sooner or later.

Why do we put the ref in the position of making a decision based on only a partial sighting, plus advice from the TJ who clearly has his driving license marked legally blind as he can't see who did something only a few metres away, and must believe in Boswell and the Grassy Knoll as he can see something where nothing happened anyway.

Why not borrow the League Player on Report idea in such situations. Not sure what happened or not sure who did it, put it on report and sort it out using all available evidence.

[JohnGalt]

How times have changed. Compare the BOD tackle to those which are coping 2 weeks these days.

[midwest]

JohnGalt said:

How times have changed. Compare the BOD tackle to those which are coping 2 weeks these days.

I really enjoyed that hysterical piece. Cheers :-)

[BOPRED]

I wonder if Setafano will be cited for his two softish lifting tackles.

[Falkon]

saw this on the SA forum

On the tip tackle specifically (the one they did not get a number), Jean de Villiers apparrently said yesterday which was said to him in his judiciary meeting.
Any tackle where you lift a player they are going to be very strict on. And the instance this happens the general rule that is applied is they start at red, and work their way down depending on the actual tackle.

[Scorz]

That BOD clip is like some sort of crime show murder doco!

[Razbra]

Scorz said:

That BOD clip is like some sort of crime show murder doco!

What's hilarious to me is that someone actually thought to post that as an argument.

He could have d...

[Scorz]

Oh I thought they were taking the piss. Is it a pro-Irish/BOD post? :think:

[reprobate]

hysteria and bullshit aside, the tackle is miles worse than the recent yellow cards...

[SynicBast]

except in those days according to the laws it was a fucking clear out at the ruck not a tackle per se...

[JC]

Baron -agree that reefing errors are inevitable but the worrying thing here was that tow separate refs (Kaplan and Joubert) seem to have seen and interpreted it the same way. That doesn't bode well if that is the way refs are interpreting from now on. If the tip tackle rulings are about safety, Whitelock's tackle wasn't dangerous.

[Kirwan]

There was a time that SANZAR allowed the TV Match official to identify players guilty of foul play. Maybe they need to just double check incidents before issue cards? They take about two minutes out of the game for the chat/lecture now anyway, it would take much time and it's worth getting it right when it has just a large impact?

[Bones]

It was funny to see Joubert saying sorry to McCaw that he couldn't identify the player to deal with it now - can only assume he thought the player would be cited and subsequently dealt a harsher sentence due to no card.

[JohnGalt]

Razbra said:

What's hilarious to me is that someone actually thought to post that as an argument.

He could have d...

No I didn't. I posted it to show the difference in rule interpretations then and now. I thought the particular clip would ad humour. Sorry you didn't get it.

[HB]

JohnGalt said:

How times have changed. Compare the BOD tackle to those which are coping 2 weeks these days.

What a bunch of moaning twats.

[Razbra]

JohnGalt said:

No I didn't. I posted it to show the difference in rule interpretations then and now. I thought the particular clip would ad humour. Sorry you didn't get it.

Easy tiger all in good fun. I meant that posting that one video is never a good thing round here as it usually leads to pisstaking.

[David65]

BOD was the best player in the world? WTF?

[whatty]

David65 said:

BOD was the best player in the world? WTF?

Dunno fairly good argument imo at some stage in his career.

[taniwharugby]

he was easily the best 13 at times...best player, always debatable.

[cyclopath]

Kirwan said:

There was a time that SANZAR allowed the TV Match official to identify players guilty of foul play. Maybe they need to just double check incidents before issue cards? They take about two minutes out of the game for the chat/lecture now anyway, it would take much time and it's worth getting it right when it has just a large impact?

Sensible idea. That might be a problem for SANZAR - especially their judicial arm (if there is one).

[Tim]

taniwharugby said:

he was easily the best 13 at times...best player, always debatable.

He sure as shit wasn't the best 13 when he went on that tour though. He was well out of form.

[taniwharugby]

Tim said:

He sure as shit wasn't the best 13 when he went on that tour though. He was well out of form.

when I said 'at times' I meant in his career, not at that time...

[Watu]

I truly believe top Refs dont watch nearly enough rugby, they ref one game a week and then get sent a copy of their own game to review but dont do nearly enough analysis on other matches. So they arent building up a database of sorts in their head that they can immediately access and compare incidents and consequences with what theyve encountered in the past. So we get a lot of inconsistency between refs (and judiciaries) and we also get these situations where the IRB obviously issue edicts to crack down on certain types of incidents, but might not have wanted these cases to have been dealt with as severely as they have been; which is what I think has probably happened with all of these stupid spear tackles which aren't.

The IRB need to be doing video training/testing for top referees and those involved in the judicial process. They need to do video tutorials showing a lot of different clips and a lot of different scenarios, identifying "signatures" to look out for as well as obviously spelling out what the consequences should have been for each incident (if any). And then after that, showing refs vision individually and testing them on how they would handle it. There is so much subjectivity involved in this and this really is the only way to stay on the same page.